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Identify That Noise!

Have you ever tuned over a band and found one of those noises you just can't figure out what it is or where it comes from? Well if you are a 4m, 70MHz operator then you most likely get this more than most amateurs because as the band has traditionally been UK only with other countries joining late in the 80's onwards, the band has never enjoyed the 'protection' (I use that expression cautiously) that other amateur bands receive.

Now, nearly a decade into the 21st century EU countries are joining 4m like it was a members' discount store. I am not complaining, it's more in the log for me. But with this new found popularity comes the negative issue of EMC. Sheer numbers of amateurs in the past have ensured a fairly quick response to complaints of QRM/N on the bands however, 4m has not enjoyed the same attention and the result is a band which is often filled with birdies and sweepers like no other amateur band known to mankind. From digital timers to water treatment devices and just about anything else you can think of have had their emissions pushed out of 6m and VHF broadcast and found their way into 4m where they have attained a life of their own, rather like an unattended pond. . .

Well guys, it's time to change all that. With 4m finally making it as a footnote to the ECA (European Frequency Allocation Table) we have some form of recognition for the band and with it, a small degree of control over the interference we suffer. I say small, as 4m is for most of the countries which have a formal allocation, still allocated on a Secondary basis, i.e. on a non-interference basis. Now that 4m is in the ECA, it is only a matter of time before the amateur community will begin to see the band become a Primary, but more work is needed in this area.

So now let's move on to the purpose of this page, to identify that noise! In the table below will be placed links to recorded interference, along with (if possible) screenshots of FFT of the relevant bandwidth. Don't worry if you have not recorded audio from your radio before or taken screen-grabs, I have provided another page devoted purely to the topics of grabbing audio and screenshots for the uninitiated.

This part of the site is for YOU! For US! For EVERYONE who uses 4m. I want to know:-

  1. What it sounds like; preferably taken in USB but if better resolution is possible in another mode then use that.
  2. What it looks like. Take a screenshot preferably from Spectran (link) with the bandwidth set to show the whole signal.
  3. What frequency it is on. Is it static (stationary)? Does it sweep? If so approximate DF/DT
  4. What direction, strength and propagation mode? Es, Tr, neighbourhood QRM?
  5. Did you find a cure for it if it was local?
  6. Can you identify (with 100% certainty) what someone else's noise is and whether there's a cure.

I aim to put together a definitive database of 4m interference in the hope that between us we can help someone overcome what could seemingly be an insurmountable problem, thereby giving them back access to the band. I know far too many people who have quit 4m because they gave up on the band due to the interference. We have a chance to improve someone's life here so let's do what we amateurs do best - HELP! ;o)

The format will be simple; On the left will be the screen-grab of Spectran which will have a 'hover magnify' function to enable a better view from the thumbnail, and a simple 'media player' with basic controls will play an mp3 file (faster download time). I kindly request that the recordings be kept to 30s duration unless there is benefit in a longer sample. Any sounds emailed to me which are too long I will truncate appropriately. If you genuinely have no means of taking a screen shot of Spectran then I will endeavour to resolve that myself.

In the right hand columns will be a table with as much pertinent information as can be gleaned. As I am requesting the information by email, feel free to provide as much detail as you wish and I will do my best to present that information as concisely as possible, for everyone's benefit.  The icon below will open an email window from your email client. Please note I have set a spam trap, and you  will need to replace the -at- with @ and the { } (curly brackets) with  "." (dot)

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Play File Frequency or Range: 4m! + Out Of Band Sweep/Stable: Sweep

Station & locator: G7CNF / IO81re Signal QTF(Degrees): 90
Polarisation: Horizontal Propagation / Local Uncertain at this time
This noise is very pervasive, the IC7600 which currently has the best of all noise blankers cannot clear it sufficiently to work weak signals. The noise travels up and down the band and can often be heard out of band. Recently it has been appearing on 6m also.

On AM the sound is a slow impulse /50-100mS with a superimposed 50Hz hum and spurs every 10Hz - like I said, very pervasive. On SSB the sound is like that of a car ignition while idling.

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Play File Frequency or Range:

70.390

Sweep/Stable: Stable

Station & locator: G7CNF / IO81re  Signal QTF(Degrees): 90
Polarisation: Horizontal Propagation: evidence of Tr.
This one pops up seemingly at random. I've heard something like it on 6m which only appears during sporadic E opening to Spain / Morocco.
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Play File Frequency or Range: 70.039 (+1000Hz) Sweep/Stable: Stable - VERY

Station & locator: G7CNF / IO81re Signal QTF(Degrees): 220
Polarisation: Crossed, mr Hztl Propagation / Local

Tropo

Smack bang on the SV beacon, this it a pain in the behind! Interestingly I also have the same sound on 144.199 and when listening to them simultaneously they are fully synchronous. Previously I had this on 50.021 also but seems to have gone from there now.
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Please email me your nasty noise which you wish to display / have identified!

 

Last edited 07 May 2009